Ruby Jane Hall Oral History Interview

Oral History Interview with
Ruby Jane Hall

A long-time friend and neighbor of the Truman family in Grandview, Missouri.

Grandview, Missouri
December 6, 1980
by Niel Johnson

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This is a transcript of a tape-recorded interview conducted for the Harry S. Truman Library. A draft of this transcript was edited by the interviewee but only minor emendations were made; therefore, the reader should remember that this is essentially a transcript of the spoken, rather than the written word.

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Opened May, 1983
Harry S. Truman Library
Independence, Missouri

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Oral History Interview with
Ruby Jane Hall

Grandview, Missouri
December 6, 1980
by Niel Johnson



JOHNSON: Miss Hall, I would like to start by asking you for a little bit of your own background. Could you tell me where and when you were born and your parents' names?

HALL: Yes, I was born on my father's farm, which is now Floral Hills Cemetery, and I was just three months old when we moved to Grandview. However, my father had a business here several years before that.

JOHNSON: And your parents' names were?

HALL: L. C. Hall and Martha Elizabeth Hall. They are both now deceased.



JOHNSON: When was it you were born?

HALL: November 8, 1908.

JOHNSON: Your family moved from the farm to Grandview in what year?

HALL: It would have been in 1909.

JOHNSON: I see. So you were born on the farm.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: And that farm was located where, in relation to the Truman farm in Grandview?

HALL: Well, the Truman farm was off of Grandview Road and Blue Ridge Extension and our farm was located at Gregory and Blue Ridge Extension.

JOHNSON: Your father's farm was how far away from the Truman farm?

HALL: I would say about five to eight miles.

JOHNSON: Five to eight miles, in which direction?



HALL: Northeast.

JOHNSON: Northeast. Is that toward Hickman Mills or beyond Hickman Mills?

HALL: It's on the other side of Hickman Mills; it's closer to Raytown. The address was Raytown.

JOHNSON: You moved into Grandview about the time that Harry Truman started farming, it appears. He moved out here in the spring of 1906 and you moved into Grandview just about that time.

HALL: Well, my father had his business here a couple of years or so before, but we moved here in 1909.

JOHNSON: So he was in business about the time that Harry Truman started farming over here.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: So they probably got acquainted rather early.

HALL: Very early.

JOHNSON: Do you recall your father saying anything



about when he first became acquainted with Harry Truman?


JOHNSON: Do you have any idea of how they came first to be acquainted, what the circumstances were that got them acquainted the first time, or the first few times?

HALL: I have no idea except my father being in business, and I would assume that through the business they became acquainted.

JOHNSON: What kind of business is it your father had here?

HALL: Milling, coal, sand, etc. He also had a string of threshing machines as well as the sawmills.

JOHNSON: What kind of mills?

HALL: Sawmills, feed mills, and coal and sand, and then the threshing business.

JOHNSON: He must have had several people working for



him too then.

HALL: Well, I had four brothers; however, they were young. He did have others working for him.

JOHNSON: So your four brothers worked with your father?

HALL: Off and on, yes.

JOHNSON: Plus hired help when necessary?

HALL: Yes. Took a lot of help manning those threshing machines.

JOHNSON: How about the sisters, you have...

HALL: I have four sisters.

JOHNSON: And how many of those are still living?

HALL: Just one.

JOHNSON: They were kept busy no doubt, too. Did the sisters have anything to do with the business in those days?



HALL: No; maybe my older sister could have helped with the bookwork, but that I really couldn't tell you.

JOHNSON: This is a point that we ought to bring up. Did your father have some business records?

HALL: Yes; I have some of the books. I guess it's books where people had purchased different items from him, and maybe didn't pay it all, and things like that. I have really never gone through them all, but I do have several books of them.

JOHNSON: There might be some bills for the Trumans in there do you think?

HALL: I doubt that.

JOHNSON: So the Trumans paid up on their bills?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: So your family is very well-acquainted with the Trumans it appears.

HALL: Yes.



JOHNSON: When your family moved to town, where did you live?

HALL: We lived at High Grove Road and Eighth Street.

JOHNSON: Three blocks west of 1111 High Grove Road?

HALL: Approximately.

JOHNSON: The Truman farm was a rather sizeable farm, about 600 acres. Was that unusually large for those days, do you recall, or was it more or less typical?

HALL: I really don't know. I would say that most farmers in this area had a number of acres.

JOHNSON: Did you ever visit the Truman farm? Let's go way back. Before Harry Truman left the farm in 1917, did you ever have an occasion to visit the Trumans?

HALL: I'm sure so.

JOHNSON: You mean at the farm home?



HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Do you have any idea when you first met the Trumans?

HALL: No, I really don't.

JOHNSON: Do you recall if Harry Truman was working out there, was farming the land, when you first visited the farm? Do you have any recollections?

HALL: I don't know.

JOHNSON: In other words, when you say you went out there, you were invited out there for meals? This would be what, the 1920s, do you think, or the thirties?

HALL: Probably even before the 1920s and thereafter.

JOHNSON: When Harry Truman came back home from the war he apparently spent a few weeks here at the farm.

HALL: Yes.



JOHNSON: He got married and decided to live in Independence, and after that it would be occasional visits. Then they sold their farm implements and stock in 1919. Do you recall anything about the Truman farm sale back in 1919?

HALL: Not the sale.

JOHNSON: Do you know of anyone that might have gotten, or bought objects or items from that sale?

HALL: No, sir. There are not many people here in Grandview who were here at that time.

JOHNSON: You don't know of any objects or of anything that might have come off of the Truman farm? I'm thinking now of things that possibly could be used in a museum exhibit or display. Do you know of any objects that are directly related to the Truman farm, any old implements or anything?

HALL: At this point in time, no. I know my older brother and Harry were very close. Of course,



as I said before, they are all gone, but if Stanley had anything that Harry had given him, why, his two boys would have it. One of these days I'll see them, and if I can find out, I'll be glad to let you know.

JOHNSON: Maybe we should get the names of your brothers and sisters on the record. Would you give us the names of your brothers and your sisters?

HALL: Yes. Miss Ella Hall my oldest sister, Mrs. Lena Eeffer, Mr. Stanley Hall, Mr. Cecil Hall, Mr. William Hall, Mr. Hobart Hall, Mrs. Esther M. Grube, Mrs. Madge See. Esther is the only one that is alive today.

JOHNSON: Her husband's name is William C. Grube?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: What about Harry Truman's reputation as a farmer? What kind of a farmer was he according to the stories or any information that you have received?



HALL: I couldn't really give a good answer to that question except that I do know that he was on the farm. As far as his farming ability I know nothing about it.

JOHNSON: His mother claimed, you know, that he plowed the straightest furrow.

HALL: Well, I don't doubt that.

JOHNSON: And planted the straightest row of corn.

HALL: Well, if Grandma Truman said so, it's right.

JOHNSON: She also said he got his commonsense on the farm, he didn't get it in town. Do you think life on the farm has a way of teaching commonsense to a person?

HALL: I really think so. After all, when you're on the farm and if you're plowing or planting, you of course are paying attention to what you're doing. I think farming is very healthy for a person.



JOHNSON: Your father depended heavily on farmers for his business, didn't he?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: And he found them to be dependable customers?

HALL: Oh yes.

JOHNSON: You do have some knowledge of the Trumans doing business here especially, I suppose, with your father. I'm trying to get a sense of small-town life, as well as farm life, at the time the Trumans were on the farm. I suppose Saturday night was the big night for farm families to come into town?

HALL: Well, that is tradition, but I don't know that that ever really applied to Grandview. I think we were always too close to Kansas City to really be a typical farm community.

JOHNSON: So there may not have been the liveliness on Saturday night here that there would have been



in towns that were farther removed from the large city?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: In other words, again looking back to the time when Harry Truman was on the farm from 1906 to 1917, would it be likely that many Saturday nights, instead of coming into Grandview, he might take the train into Kansas City?

HALL: I would assume so.

JOHNSON: Then, the automobile became available in the 1920s. What do you recall about Saturday nights when you were very young, say a teenager, here in Grandview? Was there much business on Saturday nights?

HALL: There was a lot of business on Saturday nights, mostly grocery shopping and that sort of thing. Then maybe you would go to the movie here if you wanted to.



JOHNSON: There was a theater here?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Do you have any idea when that movie theater came in?

HALL: No, but it was quite a long time ago.

JOHNSON: I wonder if it would have been here before Harry Truman left in 1917?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: We have no record that I know of of him attending movies here in Grandview.

HALL: I wouldn't say that he did, probably because he was very musically inclined and he would probably go into the city. I know he and my older brother Stanley used to go to Kansas City. I think they probably drove a horse and buggy.

JOHNSON: Mr. Truman got a Stafford car back in 1913. Your oldest brother, Stanley, you say did go into



the city with Harry Truman?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Do you remember any stories or information that Stanley has passed down to you, anything about Harry Truman?


JOHNSON: Would you say that he remained a rather close friend of Harry Truman's through all those years?

HALL: Yes, however Harry moved to Independence after he was married and my brother Stanley was married and moved from the area.

JOHNSON: You haven't seen any letters?


JOHNSON: Do you have any knowledge of Harry Truman's involvement in the Farm Bureau? He joined very early after it was formed.




JOHNSON: He was road overseer at one time, but again you were very young, and maybe you've just heard stories I suppose.

HALL: Remember something was said that Harry was road overseer.

JOHNSON: Well, of course, Presiding Judge was a rather important position too.

HALL: Oh, yes. I have one of the big buttons that he had when he was first running for Presiding Judge.

JOHNSON: Is that right?

HALL: Yes. Somewhere.

JOHNSON: Do you know anything about him having been an investor in an oil company before World War I?




JOHNSON: Any leisure time activities of the Trumans?

HALL: Well, I would say mostly church and the Masonic Order.

JOHNSON: They were very active in the Masonic Order and he did help install officers for the Eastern Star?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: You were an active member of the Eastern Star?

HALL: Yes, indeed.

JOHNSON: When did you become a member of the Eastern Star?

HALL: I really don't know the exact date.

JOHNSON: You say you can't recall exactly the first time you met Mr. Truman, but do you recall him being involved in installations of the Eastern Star officers?



HALL: Oh, many times.

JOHNSON: Do you know how far back that goes when he was first involved in...

HALL: In Eastern Star? Oh, he helped start the chapter here. It was in 1913 that the Grandview chapter was started. Harry was the first Worthy Patron.

JOHNSON: What is the Worthy Patron's job?

HALL: It is next to the highest officer.

JOHNSON: So he's expected to be involved in all the installations?

HALL: He was always invited to do so.

JOHNSON: And as far as you know he was there for almost every year then, for installations?

HALL: For a good many years. He used to come back from Washington to help in the installation of both the Eastern Star, and the Masonic Order.

JOHNSON: Do you have photographs of any of these



ceremonies, or any of those group pictures?

HALL: I doubt I have any that far back. In the early days very few pictures were taken, if any.

JOHNSON: I’ve seen two. We were loaned a couple of pictures; one was an installation in 1944, and the other was taken either in 1950 or ’51.

HALL: I probably have some of the earliest pictures taken.

JOHNSON: Your oldest sister Ella apparently operated the Post Office for the year or so that Harry Truman was acting as Postmaster:

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: But she did the work while he was named Postmaster and she got the pay for it?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: That goes back to about 1914. Did she ever say anything about her work in the Post Office



while Mr. Truman was the Postmaster?

HALL: No. She liked the work.

JOHNSON: Did she ever tell you any stories or anecdotes about Harry Truman, or the Trumans?

HALL: No. (I was very fond of Mr. Harry.)

JOHNSON: Well, most people were.

HALL: There used to be box suppers to raise money the Eastern Star.

JOHNSON: These were box suppers and there was bidding?

HALL: Yes, they would have an auctioneer.

JOHNSON: And Harry would bid on yours?

HALL: Oh yes, because I'd sneak around and tell him which one was mine.

JOHNSON: So that would mean he might have to pay quite a price for it.

HALL: Well, sometimes as much as $4.



JOHNSON: How far back does that go?

HALL: Oh, that was in the early days.

JOHNSON: You mean this was while he was still living on the farm that you had these box suppers?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: That would have been prior to April of 1917 when he went into the Army.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Well, I've heard about this sort of thing in country schools too.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Where did these festivities, so to speak, take place?

HALL: Most of them took place up in the old Gray Building.

JOHNSON: The Dyer Brothers Store?



HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: And it was above that store that the box suppers were held?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: And this was the Eastern Star?

HALL: Yes, the Eastern Star and sometimes the Royal Neighbors.

JOHNSON: How were they connected?

HALL: They are two separate organizations.

JOHNSON: Was Harry Truman involved with Royal Neighbors?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: So, there was a Masonic Order here; there was an Eastern Star; there were Royal Neighbors and Woodmen of the World.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: And these were the lodges here in this area?



HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Were your brothers members of the Masons?

HALL: Yes, and my father.

JOHNSON: So that was another way for them to be well-acquainted with Harry Truman?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Do you remember anything about, or hearing anything about, Harry's grandmother, Harriet Young?

Or Harrison, his uncle?


JOHNSON : Do you remember any stories about Harry Truman's father from any of the neighbors?


JOHNSON: Did your father ever say anything about what kind of a person he was, his personality?




JOHNSON: Do you recall the circumstances when you first met Martha Truman?


JOHNSON: But you visited her out at the farm?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: A number of times?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Does the farm house look the same now as it did then? Have there been any changes?

HALL: It was a very pretty place. It has not had much care in the later years.

JOHNSON: Do you know what happened to the furniture that they had out at the farm home?


JOHNSON: When they moved from the farm about 1940



where did they move to?

HALL: They moved into a house located in the 1000 block on High Grove Road, then later moved to the house where they lived when Mr. Harry was President.

JOHNSON: That is the house that has a little dormer at the end of the gable?

HALL: Yes. Right back of that used to be my father's gristmill. Part of the mill is still standing.

JOHNSON: Here's what is getting to be a famous photograph of your father's threshing machine.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: On the Truman farm.

HALL: This was the one that was on the Truman farm.

JOHNSON: It was published in an article in the Prairie Farmer back in 1945, but it hasn't been published elsewhere except perhaps in the Jackson County



Historical Society's newsletter, that I know about. Do you have any idea when that picture was taken? There's no date given on the caption. Do you have any idea?


JOHNSON: Do you have any idea who the photographer would have been? Was there a professional photographer here in Grandview in those early days?

HALL: No. There was no professional photographer in Grandview. It was probably just one who was passing through and stopped as they were threshing.

JOHNSON: Do you remember any straw stacks out there on the Truman farm? Would you be able to say where they might have been located on the Truman farm, that scene?

HALL: I would say it was probably a little southeast of the present house.



JOHNSON: The one on Blue Ridge?

HALL: Well, no, it would have been off of Blue Ridge, because they used to have wheat or oat fields there.

JOHNSON: There are telephone lines there, so it must have been close to a road, wasn't it?

HALL: I would say these trees are the trees that were up there in front of the house, so it would have to be south and east.

JOHNSON: You think those are the maples?

HALL: I would say so.

JOHNSON: This Grandview Road skirted the western side of the Truman farm?

HALL: The road split it in two parts. They owned some land west of old Grandview Road.

JOHNSON: Grandview Road was the main road from Grandview into the city?



HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Your father or brothers have never talked about this photograph to you, or have they?

HALL: Not that I remember.

JOHNSON: Do you have this in your collection, this photograph?

HALL: It could be in some of our pictures.

JOHNSON: I've seen the one that you have...

HALL: Up at the mill.

JOHNSON: That is probably the same thresher and the same steam engine, but it was on a different farm.

HALL: He had two or three threshing machines, so I do not know which this one is.

JOHNSON: He had two or three different threshing machines?

HALL: Yes.



JOHNSON: Well, it sounds like he had a lot of work to do there in the summer times.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Pulling that around the countryside. I lived on a farm in the thirties, and we also had a custom thresher like this.

HALL: I used to love to watch for them moving from place to place because then I could ride on the engine and blow the whistle.

JOHNSON: Oh, you did, on that steam engine?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: I was told that they also let some of the kids jump on the platform at the rear end of the threshing machine as they rode down the road.

HALL: Yes.



JOHNSON: There wasn't that much traffic on the country roads, I don't suppose.


JOHNSON: Do you recall if the farm up there had electricity in the very early days? Do you have any idea when they got electricity out there?

HALL: Not in the early days. I do not know when electricity was installed in the house.

JOHNSON: They were using kerosene lamps?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Did they also use the mantle type, the Alladin type lamp?

HALL: I do not remember if they had Alladin type lamps.

JOHNSON: So if they got electricity it wouldn't have been perhaps until the 1920s?



HALL: I suppose so.

JOHNSON: Of course, they had telephones all that time?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Do you have any information about Harry Truman's trips to Independence? He went there to visit his Noland cousins rather frequently it seems, and until he got his car he apparently took the train from Grandview into Kansas City and then the streetcar over to Independence.

HALL: I really don't. I couldn't say whether he visited in Independence, or how often.

JOHNSON: Did you ever hear anything about his car, his Stafford car?

HALL: Well, yes, I've heard about it.

JOHNSON: There are a couple of photographs that show the car. Have you seen any photographs of the car other than those that have been published? Is there anyone who might have taken a snapshot



of the Truman car, or of the Trumans, other than those that you know about because they've been published?

HALL: I don't remember seeing photographs of the car.

JOHNSON: You remember Harry Truman being in World War I, I suppose.

HALL: I sure do. I had a brother in World War I.

JOHNSON: Was he in Battery D?

HALL: No. He figured the data for the setting of the heavy artillery; he was located in Paris most of the time.

JOHNSON: Did he ever get to meet Harry Truman over there?

HALL: I do not know.

JOHNSON: Do you recall Harry Truman visiting out here in the twenties and thirties?

HALL: Yes.



JOHNSON: He would come out on weekends?

HALL: He would come out at least once a week, or oftener, to see his mother and sister.

JOHNSON: Did you ever see Bess Truman with him?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: She would come with him then?

HALL: Yes, some.

JOHNSON: Do you remember getting a chance to talk to him while he was out here visiting those times?

HALL: While he was living over in Independence prior to going to Washington?


HALL: No; I do not remember.

JOHNSON: When he was Presiding Judge he helped get this road system built, paved about 220 miles of road. Do you recall some of the work that went



on when they were doing that road work around here?


JOHNSON: Did you ever hear any stories about the road-building program and Harry Truman's connection with it?


JOHNSON: In 1934 he was elected to the Senate. Do you recall his visits out here after he became Senator?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: You've mentioned that he came out to help install Eastern Star officers. Were there other occasions when he would come back out? What kind of occasions would bring him out for other visits?

HALL: Well, possibly holidays, and he kept a good eye on his mother and sister, always.



JOHNSON: You were very well acquainted with Mary Jane, I suppose.

HALL: Oh yes.

JOHNSON: Do you remember any stories, or anecdotes, that she had to say about her brother?

HALL: No; I really don't.

JOHNSON: How about Harry Truman's politics? He went in supporting the New Deal almost 100 percent. Did the townspeople and the farmers go along with his policies as Senator?

HALL: So far as I know they did. I never heard anyone complain.

JOHNSON: You didn't hear any of the farmers complain about his liberalism, his New Deal politics?


JOHNSON: And I suppose farmers were benefiting from AAA and other New Deal programs. Your father



was still in business now in the thirties?

HALL: Yes. He was still in business in the thirties.

JOHNSON: In milling?

HALL: No, not in the milling. He had sold that. He still had the threshing machines.

JOHNSON: When did he sell his milling business?

HALL: Oh, I don't really remember.

JOHNSON: Was it in the thirties, early thirties?

HALL: It was probably in the very early thirties or late twenties.

JOHNSON: It was about 1903 or ‘04 that he started his milling business and got out around 1930, but then kept on with custom threshing during the depression?

HALL: Yes, he did.

JOHNSON: But he was still very much dependent upon



the farmers' trade. Do you recall business conditions in the 1920s here in Grandview as compared to before World War I? Did it seem to be better, or worse? How was it for business around here in Grandview in the 1920s?

HALL: Well, I think about the same as it was for business everywhere; it was general. They had their good years, and they had their thin years.

JOHNSON: Harry Truman tried a career as a small business retailer, a haberdasher, and was forced out of business by the recession in 1921. Do you recall other businessmen being hurt by that recession?

HALL: No, I really don't; not here in Grandview, but I suppose they were the same as everywhere.

JOHNSON: There wasn't any great turnover in businesses as far as you can recall in the early twenties?


JOHNSON: You were here in Grandview schools?



HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Were some of Vivian’s sons classmates?


JOHNSON: Which one of Vivian’s sons are you best acquainted with?

HALL: Well, I know them all, but J.C. perhaps.

JOHNSON: I’ve been told that there were picnics, church picnics in particular, in that maple grove.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Do you remember attending them?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: This is the Baptist Church up here?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Were there pictures taken of any of those picnics?



HALL: I don’t really know.

JOHNSON: You haven’t seen any pictures of picnics out there at the Truman home?


JOHNSON: What else might have occurred out there on the Truman farm that we should get on the record? You were out there for these picnics. You also were invited out for some Sunday dinners?

HALL: I don’t know whether it was Sunday, but in the evening for dinner.

JOHNSON: And then there were Eastern Star club meetings out there in the house that you attended?

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: Who was operating the farm out there in the twenties and thirties?

HALL: I guess Mr. Vivian.

JOHNSON: And then they had this problem with the



mortgage. Did you ever hear any stories about the problem with the farm mortgage?


JOHNSON: When did you go to Washington?

HALL: 1936. May the 25th.

JOHNSON: In what job?

HALL: I worked in the Treasury Department, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

JOHNSON: How long did you work in Washington?

HALL: Six years. I came home in June of '42.

JOHNSON: You didn't go back to work in Washington?

HALL: No, I transferred home.

JOHNSON: Did you meet Senator Truman while you were in Washington?

HALL: Yes.



JOHNSON: You went over to his office a few times.

HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: And what would you talk about?

HALL: Oh, just everything -- family, Grandview, everything.

JOHNSON: Do you recall anything that he might have said in those conversations, any theme?

HALL: No, I really don't. Normally, we talked about everybody here in Grandview.

JOHNSON: Did you talk about your father's threshing for him and that sort of thing?


JOHNSON: He didn't talk politics with you?


JOHNSON: Your father remained a Republican then through all those years?



HALL: Yes.

JOHNSON: But that didn't bother Harry Truman, Senator Truman?

HALL: Oh, no, it didn't bother him, because he knew we were for him. Friends are friends you know.

JOHNSON: But weren't Republicans rarities in this area? Were there that many Republicans?

HALL: Well, we had a good many. My older sister, from the first day that women could vote, she never missed a time working in the polls.

JOHNSON: Was she Republican?

HALL: Oh, sure. You know, it's just like your religion. You don't dislike someone because they're not Baptists. If they're Methodists, that's all right; that's their belief. You like people for being people.

JOHNSON: For their character and personality. But



you say that your father did speak well of Harry Truman as a Senator?

HALL: My gracious, yes.

JOHNSON: What did you see in Harry Truman that stood out especially?

HALL: Well, I don't know, but I would assume it was his honesty, integrity, and his love and concern of people.

JOHNSON: Some people have tried to identify him with Pendergast. Did that ever bother any of the people out here?

HALL: No. You have a right to your friends.

JOHNSON: It didn't bother your father, that you recall?

HALL: Not that I ever heard him speak of it.

JOHNSON: He always felt that in spite of getting Pendergast's support that Harry Truman either as Presiding Judge, or as Senator, could always be trusted to be honest?



HALL: Certainly.

JOHNSON: But was your father impressed with the road-building program, for instance?

HALL: I never heard any criticism from him. I never heard him criticize him in any way.

JOHNSON: What did the people out here think about the road-building program? Were they pulling for it?

HALL: Certainly, it helped Grandview.

JOHNSON: How did it help Grandview?

HALL: It gave a very fine road between Grandview, Raytown and Independence.

JOHNSON: Which road?

HALL: Blue Ridge, the Extension.

JOHNSON: So that helped connect Grandview with Independence.

HALL: We had a rock road, what they called "rock



road," but of course it was not as satisfactory as the present type roads.

JOHNSON: So it meant an extension, just extending Blue Ridge so that it came into Grandview?

HALL: Yes, to Holmes Street.

JOHNSON: Made it easy for Mr. Truman to get from Independence to Grandview, as well as vice versa.

HALL: And, of course, the courthouse was there, making it easier for those in this area to get to the courthouse. And there were many trading points there.

JOHNSON: Did the downtown businesses notice the effects of this? Did it hurt them at all?

HALL: I don't think so.

JOHNSON: Did downtown Grandview change very much that you could tell, say, from the very early years that you remember up until the late thirties?



Did it seem to remain pretty much the same?

HALL: Pretty much the same.

JOHNSON: There was not much new building on Main Street?


JOHNSON: Did Hickman Mills have a business district?

HALL: A small one. Th